Tuesday, June 19, 2012

The Koran encouraging people to give up the revenge of God?


A Moslem spokesperson used a quote from the Koran that included

the phrase, "create

mischief". Just what does that phrase mean? Is there something

lost in the translation into English?

Consider the following quotation for the Koran:

46 He said: 'O my nation! Why do you hasten in

evil before good? Why don't you ask Allah for forgiveness so

that you: you may be showered mercy?'

47 They said: 'We

augured ill omen from you and whoever is with you.' He said:

'Your (belief about) ill omen is (under record) with Allah;

nay, you are a people put under test and trial.'

48 And there

were in the city nine bands of men: they create

mischief in the land and do not indulge in (any) reform.

49 They said: 'Swear one to another by Allah that we shall

make a secret night attack on him and his household;

afterwards we will surely say to his heir-attorney: We

witnessed not the slaying place of his household and verily,

we are surely those who tell the truth.'

50 And they devised a

plot and We planned an stratagem while they perceive (it) not.

51 Then see how was the final end of their plot that We

destroyed them and their nation, all together.

52 So these

are their houses in utter ruin as they transgressed. Surely,

in this is indeed a lesson for a nation who know.

53 And We

rescued those who Believed and used to obey (Allah).

54 And

(bring to mind) Lout/Lot when he said to his nation: 'Do you

indulge in Al-Fahishah while you see (the evil aspect

thereof)?

55 Is it (that) surely you people indeed approach

men in sexual lust instead of women? Nay, you are a nation:

you behave senselessly.'

56 So there was no answer from his

nation except that they said: 'Drive out the family of

Lout/Lot from your town. Verily, they are humans who remain

clean and sanctified.'

57 So We saved him and his household

except his wife. We destined her to be of those who buried

themselves under dust and debris.

58 And We rained down over

them a rain (of stones). So evil became the rain cast over

those who were warned (in advance).

59 Say: 'Selective Praise

suits Allah (Alone), and peace be upon His Ibad whom He

selected and chose (for His Message). Is Allah better, or

(all) that they ascribe as partners (to Allah)?'

60 Is That

One Who created the heavens and the earth and sent down for

you water from towards the sky (better or other gods)? So We

brought forth therewith orchards full of beauty and delight.

It is not for you that you may grow the trees thereof. Is

there any ilah (god) alongwith Allah? Nay, they are a nation

who ascribe equals (to Him)! [Surah 27:An-Naml (The Ant) Ayat

Numbers: 46-60] (Emphasis added.)

The entire passage is included in order to preserve the context

as readers who are not Moslem would nornally not have a copy

of the Koran available.

It is the underlined passages that are of interest for the purpose

of this discussion.

It seems to me the reference to Lot corresponds to the

following passage from Genesis:

18:16 And the men rose up from thence, and looked

toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the

way.

(verses 17 through 32 are omitted to conserve space. You can read

them in any Bible.)

33 And the LORD went his way, as

soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham

returned unto his place.

19:1 And there came two angels to

Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot

seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with

his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my

lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and

tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up

early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will

abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them

greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his

house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened

bread, and they did eat.

4 But before they lay down, the men

of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round,

both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And

they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men

which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that

we may know them.

6 And Lot went out at the door unto them,

and shut the door after him,

7 And said, I pray you, brethren,

do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which

have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto

you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto

these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow

of my roof.

9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again,

This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a

judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And

they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to

break the door.

10 But the men put forth their hand, and

pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

11

And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with

blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied

themselves to find the door.

12 And the men said unto Lot,

Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy

daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them

out of this place:

13 For we will destroy this place, because

the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD;

and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

14 And Lot went out,

and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters,

and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will

destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his

sons in law.

15 And when the morning arose, then the angels

hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two

daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the

iniquity of the city.

16 And while he lingered, the men laid

hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon

the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto

him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth

abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind

thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the

mountain, lest thou be consumed.

18 And Lot said unto them,

Oh, not so, my LORD:

19 Behold now, thy servant hath found

grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which

thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot

escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:

20

Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little

one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and

my soul shall live.

21 And he said unto him, See, I have

accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not

overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.

22 Haste

thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be

come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.

23 The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into

Zoar.

24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah

brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

25 And he

overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the

inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the

ground.

26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she

became a pillar of salt.

27 And Abraham gat up early in the

morning to the place where he stood before the LORD:

28 And he

looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of

the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went

up as the smoke of a furnace.

29 And it came to pass, when God

destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered

Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when

he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt. [Genesis

18:16-19:29] (Emphasis added.)

The passage in Genesis shows that God brought judgement

against Sodom for, as the Koran puts it, "approach[ing] men in

sexual lust instead of women".

While the Genesis passage says men destroyed Sodom, they are

clearly angels representing God, both in speech and in action.

The judgement was carried out strictly by God as: "Then the

LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire

from the LORD out of heaven" [Genesis 19:24]

I may be wrong but the Koran seems to be using the example of

God's judgement of Sodom to justify "creating mischief" to

destroy an entire nation.

Now let's look at our county, the USA. Rev. Jerry Falwell was

put to task shortly after 9/11 for implying that the disaster

was related to sin in America, namely the same sin as Sodom.

Whether there was a direct connection or not, virtually all

Bible believing Christians believe that the practices of Sodom

which are permitted in this country will eventually lead to an

act of judgement by God against this country.

We all hope for a return to God by this country that will stem

that pending judgement.

But the problem and or question is: Does the Koran encourage

individuals to take up arms against this country to act for

God to bring judgement upon us?

I am sure that God is also displeased with us over the

abortion issue. The murder of innocent unborn children must

also be answered for.

In the past, some "Christian extremists" took matters in there

own hands to bomb abortion clinics and murder those actually

performing abortions. The Christian community universally

condemned such activity. Those that did such things were

punished according to law.




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